[Solved] Sans font where rn kerning doesn't become m

[White Phoenix]

Does anyone know of a sans font where “rn” doesn’t look like “m”? As many fonts Google came out with their Noto series, none of the sans fonts solve this kerning problem.

[MrProgrammer]

Does anyone know of a sans font where “rn” doesn’t look like “m”?

The sans serif font that the forum's web page uses seems to be fine to me. I don't read Kerning as Keming. I don't know the font name, but perhaps you can view the page's HTML or use a web page inspector to determine the font.

[Hagar Delest]

If you are talking about fonts in documents, can you upload a screenshot of what you see?

[RoryOF]

Arial and Arimo seem OK (tested on 1920 x 1080 screen) but the result probably depends on your screen resolution. Also, in Writer, be certain that you are not using /Format /Character : Position tab to reduce inter character spacing.

[Lupp]

My two cents: See attached example.

aoo_Grotesk_Grotesque_Fonts.odt

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[White Phoenix]

You know, I never even noticed until it was brought to my attention. Probably because I could read Kerning instead of Keming.

If you are talking about fonts in documents, can you upload a screenshot of what you see?

Actually while I prefer serif fonts in Writer, I prefer sans fonts in Calc. In any event the point is moot if I can get the font that MrProgrammer pointed out to me.

Also, in Writer, be certain that you are not using /Format /Character : Position tab to reduce inter character spacing.

Never heard of Arimo. I don’t even know where those settings are. So if they aren’t defaults, I’m pretty sure I’m not using that setting.

My two cents: See attached example.

aoo_Grotesk_Grotesque_Fonts.odt

I have tried Arial and Helvetica neither of them solve the rn/m problem. I thought AOO Grotesque was going to be the font that has been pointed out. However, it’s displayed in a larger size. At 10 pt, it might not be any better than any other font so far.
Using the browser to look at the HTML source then clicking on the link to the CSS font I found this:
/*!
* Font Awesome 4.7.0 by @davegandy - http://fontawesome.io - @fontawesome
* License - http://fontawesome.io/license (Font: SIL OFL 1.1, CSS: MIT License)
*/@font-face{font-family:'FontAwesome';src:url('../fonts/fontawesome-webfont.eot?v=4.7.0')
Apparently its called FontAwesome? I tracked it down: fontawesome-free-6.7.2-desktop.zip There is a web version too, and both have a pro version which apparently isn’t free. All three OTF fonts are only uppercase, no lowercase.

[Lupp]

A few additional remarks:
.CharKerning is named as a character property, but in fact it's only available for TextRange objects. In addition it's treated as a "word property". That's a bit funny - and possibly confusing. In specific it's annoying because you only can set/change the kerning in edit mode, and have to do it for the textual content of every single cell.
SheetCell objects as a whole don't support TextRange services/interfaces.
Out of curiosity I researched the facts, and wrote (sketched) a little program (Basic code) being able to apply a value for kerning to the complete text content of cells / cell ranges. It can take the kerning value from the name of the cell style of any subrange.
Personally I will never need that code, because I only use monospace fonts in spreadsheets (mostly Liberation Mono).
If somebody wants the code, I will supply it "as is" - and that's sloppy and not tidy.

[RoryOF]

Arimo is a Google font, said to be metrically identical to Arial; I cannot say when it arrived, but it is installed on my computer.

The rn/m difference may be resolved by use of a higher resolution display; as I said, I found no such problem with my tests on a 1920x1080 display, but on moving that window to a 1280x1024, a side screen on a multiple screen setup, the difference became more difficult to see.

[White Phoenix]

I just went to settings to switch to 1920x1080. It’s already set at that resolution. ?! That’s the highest Linux Mint will go? Nuts.
I have an approximately 27 in screen.

[RoryOF]

I use a 27" 1920x1080 centre screen with 1280x1024 17" screens either side.

I think Linux will not display a screen resolution greater than the screen reports on power-up

[White Phoenix]

I use a 27" 1920x1080 centre screen with 1280x1024 17" screens either side.

I think Linux will not display a screen resolution greater than the screen reports on power-up

Which renders the screen resolution irrelevant in my case. Someone needs to make a proportional sans font that makes a clear distinction between “rn” and “m”. Possibly by making the m narrower as it is in a fixed font.

[White Phoenix]

I have recently found two variable width sans fonts that solve the problem. In both images look at the end of the fourth line from the top. Both fonts are regular at 10 points.
The first one is a font called Works Sans.

Work Sans Regular 10 pt.PNG (109.42 KiB) Viewed 1307 times

The second one is Consolas.

Consolas Regular 10 pt.PNG (122.76 KiB) Viewed 1307 times

This one is better because the extender of the ar is more curved making ar en more distinct from em.