Cannot Remove Borders

[veraca]

I was hoping for a bit of help. I've browsed around here and google and people are not asking my problem sooooo...

What I'm trying to do is create an eBook and for this, borders must be removed. No problem, I figured. I'd just go into the Styles and Formatting and remove all borders. They don't appear for me in the pdf or .doc file, but if I right-click and take a look at the style after I've modified it to not have borders, it's been set back to the default of 0.5 pt solid line, not "none" (which is above it).

I'm not too sure why it is refusing to remove borders when I don't even see them, but they appear as "active" in the file when I send it off to be converted to an eBook. So help in removing them would be great~

[Zizi64]

I can not see any activated border line eighter top/bottom nor left/right side of the paragraph on your attached picture.
There are not borders set. The setting values of the line width and color are only valid when the position/s/ are switched ON on tho graphic select panel.

[veraca]

It says they're active however- as the 0.5pt line there under Style. This is what I was sent back when my file didn't work- they said the borders are showing up as activated and I need to turn them off. But I can't seem to?

[Zizi64]

Can you upload your small size example ODF type document here?

[Zizi64]

They don't appear for me in the pdf or .doc file,

DO NOT USE the never-standardized foreign fileformats. There is not (never was and never will be) 100% compatibility between the different fileformats.

[Zizi64]

Which version of .DOC format have you used? Please upload a converted (odt->doc) example .doc file too.

[veraca]

It's .doc 97/2000/XP titled in Open Office. I've never had a problem with it. And I've uploaded it per their PDF instructions where it senses Headers 1, 2, 3 and normal/default style settings required. They accept only .doc and their specified PDF.
All I want is to make these stupid borders go awaaaay.

[Zizi64]

Was that line appeared at every "Heading 2" style paragraphs? Maybe it comes from manual (direct) formatting but not from the style...
But I can not say more without seeing an example document.

[veraca]

It looks like that on all of the items in the styles and formatting with the 0.5 pt selected and will not go to "none" after I hit "OK". It won't even save the color if I change it to white.

[Zizi64]

They accept only .doc

What an old fashioned team are they...

The doc is a non-standard format. Even the Microsoft not support it now...
Its description was not documented (for public), and the early OpenOffice versions handled it by reverse engineering method. And there are many subversions of the .doc file format. It is impossible thing to achieve a 100% compatibility.

Never use it.


Or try the LibreOffice. It has more compatibility with the foreign, non-standard .doc (and with the "Transitional Standard" .docx) formats.

[Zizi64]

Just a tip:

Use the free MS Word Viewer software to check your converted document before you send them.

...and please upload an .odt and a .doc version of your example document...

[RoryOF]

Try clicking on the little icon labelled "None", the leftmost icon on your first screenshot under Line Arrangement "Default", or top icon on your latest screenshot.under "Settings"

[veraca]

That didn't work, Rory. I assume there are no borders active, as I see none. But the Page format says the borders are still set to 0.5 pt. I checked the footers and headers and not only do I seem unable to turn them off, but they have no visible borders, while the woman I sent the file to insists she sees a 0.5 pt border.

I trimmed 99% of text from the file, and attached it. It should still have the formatting for the Headers 1~3 that are being used and Default/Normal styles.

I've gone into everything to turn off the 0.5 pt border I feel like and nothing is working...

[jrkrideau]

I have had a look and I cannot see any border nor where a border is coming from. An export as pdf when examined in Okular and in Document Viewer (Evince?) does not show any borders.

@Tibor : There is some direct formatting, see below, but I don't see any on the Heading 2 entries.

When I opened the document in Abiwork I get a 10 page document with a blandkpage before the first page in LO, the one reading Portion One and then interweaving blank pages between the pages rest of the pages. I don't know how well Abiword handles .doc imports but this sort of thing strikes me as strange. If I save the Abiword file as a pdf I get the 10 page document but no borders.

In Heading 1 the Next Style setting is something called Paragraph(X). Paragraph(x) gives me a bullet list. I don't understand why one would want a list in this situation? I just had a look at the Custom Styles list. Paragraph(X) is there but we have a total of 44 custom Styles in that list. Should we have that many?

Heading 1 if we look at the Style seems to be set up as Times New Roman, Regular, 14. (LibreOffice is displaying in the properties window that I have Garamond 14 for the first entry (Portion One) presumably a font substitution for some reason? However Portion One, seems to be displaying correctly.

The next occurrence of Heading 1 at Title I am getting Times New Roman 14 but the actual text is bold. Aha, if I remove direct formatting the Bold goes away. However the text does NOT look like it's 14 pt. It looks more like 10 or 12 pt to me even after I remove the direct formatting.

Similarly on page 3 Copyright is a Heading 1 Style but has direct formatting with the font to 10.5 pt. Removing the direct format appears to give me 14 pt.

[acknak]

... They accept only .doc and their specified PDF. ...

Best practice with OO is to always save your work as ODF (.odt for text). From there you can export copies in whatever format you need (.doc or pdf), while your document is safe in the standard format.

[Bill]

The screen shot from MS Word has a note to "...place the cursor in the header...". It says nothing about the Heading 2 paragraph style which is shown in the screen shot from AOO. I assume from this note that the border is under a header. Looking at the uploaded document, the only page with a header is the one with the Link 34 heading. This page has an empty header and footer and the Default paragraph style is applied to the header text--not the Heading 2 paragraph style. Is this where the border is appearing? I can't remove the header and footer from the document, but after saving the document in ODF format and reloading it, I was able to remove the empty header and footer and re-save the document in DOC format, but I don't know what would happen if this modified document were to be opened with MS Word.

[veraca]

Since it's to be read as an eBook, they directed me to set up the specific texts to be what I want. ie "Chapter 1" and "Link 34" should be a chapter title and should be listed as Heading 2. I'm not sure why "Portion One" and "Title" are appearing as different texts when they should both be under Heading 1.

The direction was to remove Headers and Footers and all Borders, but I seem unable to? I've tried creating a new document as .odf that has no Headers or Footers in it and copy/pasting the text into it and it automatically supplies headers/footers.

I've gone through the document, and there's "Insert -> Header -> Convert #" with a check next to it. I have no idea whaaaat that is, and have attempted to turn it off. In the smal doc there's only about 4, but in the real document there's well over 30 for some reason. I don't have a clue where they came from or what they're for, or are even applying to. But on page 1, clicking into the text of "Portion One", there's a Insert->Header->Convert3 selected (and a Footer->Convert3). I suspect these have something to do with random borders appearing, but if borders are appearing in Headers and Footers, why can't I turn them off of the document? I've tried turning them off through the Format->Page setting and it seems to do diddly squat.

Likewise, the section above "Link 34" that's a header, if I go into Format->Page to turn off the border, clicking for it to be Style select "none" does nothing to remove the border present there.

[Bill]

The check mark by Insert > Header > Convert 3 means that the header has been turned on in the Convert 3 page style. Convert 3 is the page style for the page which has the heading "Link 34". That's why you see a header on that page. Try selecting Insert > Header > Convert 3 and Insert Footer > Convert 3 to remove the check marks. I just tried this and the header and footer were removed. Previously, I had tried removing the header and footer by selecting Format > Page > Header/Footer and unchecking Header on/Footer on, but that didn't remove the header/footer.

Likewise, the section above "Link 34" that's a header, if I go into Format->Page to turn off the border, clicking for it to be Style select "none" does nothing to remove the border present there.

Selecting Format > Page > Borders and selecting "none" as the line style removes borders from the page text area and sets the default line style. It won't remove a border from a header, footer or paragraph.

Please post a screen shot showing the borders. No one else posting here seems to be able to see them using Writer. If the border is on the header, then it may have been added using Word. AFAIK, Writer doesn't have an option to add or remove borders from a header.

[veraca]

Again, I don't see any borders. I don't know how a border line in a Header even got there. The only writing program I use is Open Office's Writer program. The company I'm talking to said they found borders and headers and footers. I cannot seem to remove any of the Headers or Footers.
The file I have literally has tons of the Convert #'s and clicking every single one takes eons and didn't seem to do anything when I did it. Upon exporting it to PDF it doesn't even show a border above Link 34.

Is there a way to mass remove whatever the Converts are? There's less of them than chapter titles and I don't want Headers or Footers any gdi way.

[RoryOF]

If, in /Format /Styles and Formatting, you right click on each Convert style, you ought be offered three options - New, Modify, Delete. Choosing Delete will replace text formatted with that style with Default style.

[Zizi64]

I just installed the free Word Viewer software, and opened your attachement file. I can not see any borders in your .doc type file:

[Bill]

The only evidence of any border presented so far is the screen shot taken from MS Word. Without access to MS Word, I see no way to determine where the empty headers with invisible borders came from.

The "Converts" are page styles. Page styles tell Writer how to format pages. They can't be "removed". The only way to reduce the number of page styles is to reduce the number of different page configurations being used. If you look at the Chapter 1 page and the Link 34 page, they have different page styles (Convert 2 and Convert 3) because they have different margin settings.

[Zizi64]

I just open the attached .doc type file with my Libreoffice 4.4.7.

There is an empty header in the document: in the Page Style 'Convert 3':

[veraca]

....Weird.
I need the styles applied via the Styles and Formatting (for Default/Normal, Headings 1 2 3), so then I can't remove the Converts? But I can't remove the headers it seems either then? And what the heck the margins are different? They should all be the same. I never adjusted my margins.
This is becoming really nuts and I've still got no clue how to fix the headers/footers to be removed or the borders problem.

So I'm looking at the smal.doc and it says the applied styles are still the same ones I've made. I go down to Link 34 and for some reason it has a header. I click the Header and the "Default" style is highlighted. I right click Default to see if there's a way to turn off the header through the Style and Formatting and there's no such option?

[Zizi64]

And what the heck the margins are different? They should all be the same. I never adjusted my margins.

You are using more than one DIFFERENT PAGE STYLES. (I meant page styles but not paragraph styles or other type of the styles...)

[veraca]

And what the heck the margins are different? They should all be the same. I never adjusted my margins.

You are using more than one DIFFERENT PAGE STYLES. (I meant page styles but not paragraph styles or other type of the styles...)

Yeah, but how? I never set up anything for page styles beyond the one time I did when I made the document. It's an ebook- it doesn't need a million different settings for margins or print depth per off-set pages or anything fancy. Am I correct to assume then that deleting the Converts will not remove the formatting from the Heading 1 2 3 ect?
I can left click the Convert in the Insert>Format>Convert3 (it has check box next to it) and a pop-up box appears saying "Removing headers and footers deletes contents. Do you wish to delete the text?"

[Zizi64]

I never set up anything for page styles beyond the one time I did when I made the document.

It is impossible... Or maybe they are created at the many-many doc-odt-doc conversions. The applied page styles in your example smal.doc file:

Convert 1
Convert 2
Convert 3
Default style

[veraca]

I never set up anything for page styles beyond the one time I did when I made the document.

It is impossible... Or maybe they are created at the many-many doc-odt-doc conversions. The applied page styles in your example smal.doc file:

Convert 1
Convert 2
Convert 3
Default style

Oh so you think it's like all of the times the file is opened by OO itself? It has to convert the document from doc into being read from OO? That... sounds weird that it'd be a retention problem that's then getting forwarded to the company for the eBook.
Would removing the Converts, assuming they only delete text in the Headers and Footers - does that mean they'd just keep coming back?

[Zizi64]

You can modify the page style Convert 3: you can switch off the header.

Or you can apply another (the Default or other) page style for that part of the document.

[Bill]

And what the heck the margins are different? They should all be the same. I never adjusted my margins.

You are using more than one DIFFERENT PAGE STYLES. (I meant page styles but not paragraph styles or other type of the styles...)

Yeah, but how? I never set up anything for page styles beyond the one time I did when I made the document.

All new documents start off with only one page style--the Default page style. How the margins were changed and the headers were added to some pages, we have no way of knowing since we didn't create the document.

It's an ebook- it doesn't need a million different settings for margins or print depth per off-set pages or anything fancy. Am I correct to assume then that deleting the Converts will not remove the formatting from the Heading 1 2 3 ect?

Convert 1, 2, 3 are page styles. Heading 1, 2, 3 are paragraph styles. Deleting a page style has no effect on paragraph styles. If you do delete the Convert page styles, the Default page style will be applied to the pages, but when you save, close and re-open the document in the .doc format, the Convert styles will be regenerated.

I can left click the Convert in the Insert>Format>Convert3 (it has check box next to it) and a pop-up box appears saying "Removing headers and footers deletes contents. Do you wish to delete the text?"

If there isn't any text in the header, then you can delete the header, but if you do delete the Convert page styles, there's no reason to delete the headers.