[Solved] Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
[Solved] Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Yes, I have read and re-read the guides and tutorials. Yes, I have defined, modified, renamed and otherwise spent hours monkeying with Styles.
No, I cannot get a Master Document to use ANY of my styles or formatting. It forces everything back into its own predefined formatting, and will NOT allow me to change it!
What can I do to fix this, except junk OO and go back to Micro$oft?
(Man, I miss Pagemaker and Quark)
No, I cannot get a Master Document to use ANY of my styles or formatting. It forces everything back into its own predefined formatting, and will NOT allow me to change it!
What can I do to fix this, except junk OO and go back to Micro$oft?
(Man, I miss Pagemaker and Quark)
Last edited by Hagar Delest on Mon May 18, 2020 10:06 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: tagged solved
Reason: tagged solved
OpenOffice 4.1 on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Simply use the software that works for you. Let me guess: You save master documents in doc format?
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Ubuntu 18.04 with LibreOffice 6.0, latest OpenOffice and LibreOffice
Ubuntu 18.04 with LibreOffice 6.0, latest OpenOffice and LibreOffice
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Master Documents do work, but the newcomer to OpenOffice may find that it takes three or so substantial projects to get to grips with use of Styles etc in OpenOffice.
I have never found it necessary to use Master Documents, no matter how big the file - I'm thinking of files of perhaps a million words and several thousand pages.
But which program you chose to use for editing is your choice.
I have never found it necessary to use Master Documents, no matter how big the file - I'm thinking of files of perhaps a million words and several thousand pages.
But which program you chose to use for editing is your choice.
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.15 on Xubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Unfortunately, without a MD I cannot use an index or table of contents, both of which I need.
No, I don't save the MD or anything else in .doc; I only ever convert if the recipient demands .doc format, and then only after I've completed everything in .odt
No, I don't save the MD or anything else in .doc; I only ever convert if the recipient demands .doc format, and then only after I've completed everything in .odt
OpenOffice 4.1 on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Why can you not insert a Table of Contents and an Index in an ordinary document? I certainly have a ToC in my current document, and could generate an Index if it was required in that document.
Apache OpenOffice 4.1.15 on Xubuntu 22.04.4 LTS
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Well, this isn't an ordinary document.
OpenOffice 4.1 on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Note that the master document will override styles in subdocuments.
When a style name used in a subdocument exists in the master document (which is true for all the predefined styles, which cannot be removed or renamed), the settings for that style in the subdocument will be ignored. All settings have to be made in the master document. A little confusing at first, but also quite useful.
When a subdocument has custom styles, and the style names are not present in the master, styles are imported from the subdocument.
If you have several subdocuments with custom styles using the same name but different settings, the first imported style takes precedence (I believe). This is not always the first file in the sequence. This is where it gets really confusing, and not so useful.
If you do not already do it, I suggest you set up all styles in the master, and avoid style import from subdocuments. It can get messy very quickly.
When a style name used in a subdocument exists in the master document (which is true for all the predefined styles, which cannot be removed or renamed), the settings for that style in the subdocument will be ignored. All settings have to be made in the master document. A little confusing at first, but also quite useful.
When a subdocument has custom styles, and the style names are not present in the master, styles are imported from the subdocument.
If you have several subdocuments with custom styles using the same name but different settings, the first imported style takes precedence (I believe). This is not always the first file in the sequence. This is where it gets really confusing, and not so useful.
If you do not already do it, I suggest you set up all styles in the master, and avoid style import from subdocuments. It can get messy very quickly.
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Master documents do work - the problem is that you don't understand how they work. I have successfully used them for ten years.
Have you seen Creating and Using Master Documents which says
Have you seen Creating and Using Master Documents which says
Upload a set of small example files and explain precisely the problem.Yes, master documents do work in OOoWriter. However, their use is full of traps for inexperienced users. Until you become familiar with the traps and how to avoid (or workaround) them, you may think that master documents are unreliable or difficult to use.
You can use several methods to create master documents. Each method has its advantages and disadvantages. Which method you choose depends on what you are trying to accomplish.The different methods are described in this document, along with suggestions on when to use each one.
LO 6.4.4.2, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
- Hagar Delest
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Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
I think that the first thing to do is start from a document that will be a sub-document. High chances that it contains all the required styles (especially if standard styles but customized). Then make a copy of it and export it as a MD. Then remove the unwanted content and add the sub-documents.
LibreOffice 7.6.2.1 on Xubuntu 23.10 and 7.6.4.1 portable on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Note that there are different methods of using master documents. Creating and Using Master Documents says:
Which method are you using?The ideal situation is to start with no existing documents, because you can do everything correctly right from the beginning. Writer provides three ways to create a master document:
● Method 1. Quick and easy, but not recommended
● Method 2. Not too complicated, but with restrictions
● Method 3. Complete control
In each case, you need to have a disciplined approach to make sure the master document works correctly and reliably. Each method below describes the steps to take. Be sure to do them in the order given.
Never forget that you can export a master document and its sub documents as a single .odt file in which case it is an ordinary document.solicitr wrote:Well, this isn't an ordinary document.
LO 6.4.4.2, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
All right, I think I've found a method that seems to work. In the subdocuments, copy and rename each pre-loaded Style used (e.g. copy Default and rename My Default). Import subdocs into the Master; these "custom" styles will not be overridden.
OpenOffice 4.1 on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
You seem to have your thought process the wrong way round. Essentially, the Master Document styles over-ride any sub-document styles. The clue is in the word "Master".solicitr wrote:All right, I think I've found a method that seems to work. In the subdocuments, copy and rename each pre-loaded Style used (e.g. copy Default and rename My Default). Import subdocs into the Master; these "custom" styles will not be overridden.
A tip for you.
1. Set up the styles you want in the Master.
2. Make sure any sub-document uses the identical styles and page format.
The benefit is that a sub document never changes when it is brought in to the master so you can do final layout and formatting in the sub document knowing you will see exactly the same in the master.
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Last edited by John_Ha on Sun May 10, 2020 3:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.
LO 6.4.4.2, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
- Hagar Delest
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Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
No need if you start your MD from a sub-document to make sure the styles are the same.solicitr wrote:All right, I think I've found a method that seems to work. In the subdocuments, copy and rename each pre-loaded Style used (e.g. copy Default and rename My Default). Import subdocs into the Master; these "custom" styles will not be overridden.
LibreOffice 7.6.2.1 on Xubuntu 23.10 and 7.6.4.1 portable on Windows 10
Re: Master documents DO NOT WORK!!!
Apart from this confirmed bug Issue 127205 - Additional space added in Master document which is not present in the sub document and is equal to 'Paragraph > Spacing > Gap to Top border'John_Ha wrote:The benefit is that a sub document never changes when it is brought in to the master so you can do final layout and formatting in the sub document knowing you will see exactly the same in the master.
LO 6.4.4.2, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.