Word reformats bullets points when printing
Word reformats bullets points when printing
Hello,
I'm new to this forum and ask for your patience.
I have been using Apache Open Office for several years, first with Ubuntu OS, then for past 6 years with my Mac OS Sierra.
Generally, I haven't had capatibility issues when opening and sharing excel spreadsheets and word docs as long as I save and share in MS .doc or .xls.
However as I work more with others in a business environment and my work gets more intricate, I've noticed when I print word documents with bullet points, they are reformatted into a square with a question mark. That's not a problem if I only need to read, but it's not very professional if I need to print and share with others.
The problem doesn't present itself if only shared digitally (not printed).
Is there a way to work around this quirk?
I'm new to this forum and ask for your patience.
I have been using Apache Open Office for several years, first with Ubuntu OS, then for past 6 years with my Mac OS Sierra.
Generally, I haven't had capatibility issues when opening and sharing excel spreadsheets and word docs as long as I save and share in MS .doc or .xls.
However as I work more with others in a business environment and my work gets more intricate, I've noticed when I print word documents with bullet points, they are reformatted into a square with a question mark. That's not a problem if I only need to read, but it's not very professional if I need to print and share with others.
The problem doesn't present itself if only shared digitally (not printed).
Is there a way to work around this quirk?
RHUB
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Do not use the old, obsolete, never standardized, binary MS document formats with the OpenOffice ot LibreOffice.
Always use the International Standard ODF file formats, like .odt, .ods.
There is not (never was and never will be) 100% compatibility between the different file formats.
Just a tip:
Check the missing fonts in your document.
You can use the TestFonts extension for this task.
https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/testfonts
Always use the International Standard ODF file formats, like .odt, .ods.
There is not (never was and never will be) 100% compatibility between the different file formats.
Just a tip:
Check the missing fonts in your document.
You can use the TestFonts extension for this task.
https://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/testfonts
Tibor Kovacs, Hungary; LO7.5.8 /Win7-10 x64Prof.
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Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Thank you for your reply.
Unfortunately I must save in MS formats if I am sharing my docs with others to read and edit. Doing otherwise would be counterproductive if others are unable to open my documents.
I'm wondering if others have my same problem and if they are able to find a remedy.
Unfortunately I must save in MS formats if I am sharing my docs with others to read and edit. Doing otherwise would be counterproductive if others are unable to open my documents.
I'm wondering if others have my same problem and if they are able to find a remedy.
RHUB
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
The newer versions of the MS Office can read the ODF file formats. The MS Office users can open the standard ODF file formats.Unfortunately I must save in MS formats if I am sharing my docs with others to read and edit.
If you must work permanently with MS type documents, then you must buy a MS Office.
Or you can try the LibreOffice. It has a littlebit higher compatibility with the obsolete MS formats, and it can save into .xlsx and .docx formats too.
Tibor Kovacs, Hungary; LO7.5.8 /Win7-10 x64Prof.
PortableApps/winPenPack: LO3.3.0-7.6.2;AOO4.1.14
Please, edit the initial post in the topic: add the word [Solved] at the beginning of the subject line - if your problem has been solved.
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Please, edit the initial post in the topic: add the word [Solved] at the beginning of the subject line - if your problem has been solved.
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Thank you again for your reply and helpful info regarding LibreOffice. Is LO full supported with updates and support systems?
I am not familar with that program at all but may look into it.
I also have trouble opening cvs. documents, will LibreOffice have issues too?
Someone has also offered to add me to their MS office software, she can add up to 5 users. But she is not a MacOS user, but MS. I'm not sure if my MacOs can use her software or how to go about it installing it on my MacOS. Neither is she. And I don't want to pay for updates or annual fees. It's why I enjoy OO.As you can see I lack tech skills on systems and the like.
I am not familar with that program at all but may look into it.
I also have trouble opening cvs. documents, will LibreOffice have issues too?
Someone has also offered to add me to their MS office software, she can add up to 5 users. But she is not a MacOS user, but MS. I'm not sure if my MacOs can use her software or how to go about it installing it on my MacOS. Neither is she. And I don't want to pay for updates or annual fees. It's why I enjoy OO.As you can see I lack tech skills on systems and the like.
RHUB
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
It sounds like a missing font problem and/or a problem caused by the file having been edited by MS Word. Also see the Tutorial below for a discussion of bullets. Remember that the font showing in the Writer font drop-down selection box is the font the document is asking for.rhub wrote:I've noticed when I print word documents with bullet points, they are reformatted into a square with a question mark.
If the font being asked for is not installed on the PC, Windows (or other operating system) will silently substitute a different font which is available, and use that substitute font to display the text.
The TestFonts add-on is invaluable for finding missing fonts which the document is asking for, but which are not installed on the PC.
You can see which fonts are installed on a Windows PC by Start > Control Panel > Fonts or by clicking C:\Windows\Fonts.
See [Tutorial] Differences between Writer and MS Word files for why you should always work in and save files as .odt.
LO 6.4.4.2, Windows 10 Home 64 bit
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
See the Writer Guide, the Writer FAQ, the Writer Tutorials and Writer for students.
Remember: Always save your Writer files as .odt files. - see here for the many reasons why.
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
BTW, I believe Tibor (Zizi64) was saying "Always work in odt or ods format". Only export to a MS format if you need to send the file to someone else. Of course, if it is a shared file, that may no be feasible.
LibreOffice 7.3.7. 2; Ubuntu 22.04
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately it most often is a shared file.
RHUB
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Current MS Office subscriptions with multiple installs allowed are for "multiple platform" use. They allow installed apps in 5 instances of either Windows, OS-X, Android or iOS, in addition to the "cloud" (web) apps.
Afaik, with the enterprise license, all 5 instances will share the same authentication, giving shared access to cloud/online content (email, OneDrive storage, etc.) which is probably not a desirable situation. Not sure about the Home/Student/Small office licenses, but I'd expect them to allow individual authentication, as also indicated by the offer to add you as a user.
Another option which some people find useful when collaborating with MS users is the WPS suite, which is offered in a free version. Not sure whether it is available for other systems than Windows, though.
Regardless of which systems and storage formats are in use: When a document transitions between "contexts" (MS - Open/Libre - WPS - <someotherstuff>), there will be a buildup of "residue" whenever the pogrammers made a workaround for unhandled content. In most cases you will experience this as a rising "clutter factor", but there are rare cases when a doument is broken beyond repair.
If you must collaborate with people using MS Office, the safest strategy is to use MS Office. In any case, your document storage strategy should also comprise a backup routine.
Afaik, with the enterprise license, all 5 instances will share the same authentication, giving shared access to cloud/online content (email, OneDrive storage, etc.) which is probably not a desirable situation. Not sure about the Home/Student/Small office licenses, but I'd expect them to allow individual authentication, as also indicated by the offer to add you as a user.
Another option which some people find useful when collaborating with MS users is the WPS suite, which is offered in a free version. Not sure whether it is available for other systems than Windows, though.
Regardless of which systems and storage formats are in use: When a document transitions between "contexts" (MS - Open/Libre - WPS - <someotherstuff>), there will be a buildup of "residue" whenever the pogrammers made a workaround for unhandled content. In most cases you will experience this as a rising "clutter factor", but there are rare cases when a doument is broken beyond repair.
If you must collaborate with people using MS Office, the safest strategy is to use MS Office. In any case, your document storage strategy should also comprise a backup routine.
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Keme, what is WPS suite? Is that Word Perfect? Is that an open source software for word processing?
RHUB
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
OpenOffice 4.0.1with MacOs Sierra 10.12.6
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Not keme but see https://www.wps.com/. I have no idea what it isrhub wrote:Keme, what is WPS suite? Is that Word Perfect? Is that an open source software for word processing?
LibreOffice 7.3.7. 2; Ubuntu 22.04
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Formerly known as Kingsoft Office. The company WPS is US based, but still a subsidiary of China's Kingsoft corporation.rhub wrote:Keme, what is WPS suite? Is that Word Perfect? Is that an open source software for word processing?
Not open source, they offer a free version which covers most people's requirements. In my experience, not very good ODF support.
Their wordprocessor has good compatibility with MS Word, to the point that output is usually identical.
Versions for linux, Windows, Android and iOS. Alas, not for OSX so it does not seem to be the solution you are looking for.
My experience dates back 4-5 years, but word on the net indicates that its standing is more or less the same.
Apache OO 4.1.12 and LibreOffice 7.5, mostly on Ms Windows 10
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Could you upload a small sample file, or even two? One brand, shiney new, odt file with bullets points, formatted exactly as you would normally create the file, and a sample of one of the problem files.rhub wrote:thanks for clarifying. Unfortunately it most often is a shared file.
The actual text in either file is not important so feel free to substitute nonsense for the real text in the "working" file if anything is confidential.
There is a upload tab at the bottom of the Reply and Quote windows. File sizes are limited to 128K or less. If your example is larger you will need to upload to a file hosting site such as Dropbox or MediaFire .and post the download link here.
Probably the best approach would be to zip the two files and upload them as a single .zip file
Thanks.
LibreOffice 7.3.7. 2; Ubuntu 22.04
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Unlike OpenOffice, LibreOffice is under active development. It is the successor of OpenOffice which is almost dead by now. LO solved some of the interoperability issues with MS document formats. It is technically impossible to be fully compatible with a product that does not want to be compatible.rhub wrote:Thank you again for your reply and helpful info regarding LibreOffice. Is LO full supported with updates and support systems?
Nevertheless, you have to work with the native file format of the program you use to edit your work. Be it some office suite, picture editor, layouter, video or sound editor.
A doable work flow in this case:
If the receipient should be able to read your work without editing, export to PDF. This is what mp3 is for sound files.
If the receipient is a co-worker on the same document:
1) Tell him/her to install a free Open Document suite. I would recommend LibreOffice over OpenOffice. Both are availlable as protable versions for USB sticks which does not require installation on the local hard disk.
2) If it has to be doc(x) for some reason, save your finished work as .odt and then send a doc copy to the co-worker. When he he/she aswers with the next version, the first thing you do is saving this copy as odt and then continue working with that copy. This way you both have additional doc copies in your mail records and each one works with the best matching file format for the respective program.
Please, edit this topic's initial post and add "[Solved]" to the subject line if your problem has been solved.
Ubuntu 18.04 with LibreOffice 6.0, latest OpenOffice and LibreOffice
Ubuntu 18.04 with LibreOffice 6.0, latest OpenOffice and LibreOffice
Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
Hey rhub,
Try Libreoffice. It is a LOT more compatible with .doc and .docx files. Open Office can't actually work with .docx, and may be the reason you're having issues.
If that doesn't work, another Open Source software that may fit your needs is something called "OnlyOffice". If that doesn't work, you might try WPS or Microsoft, both are not FOSS.
Try Libreoffice. It is a LOT more compatible with .doc and .docx files. Open Office can't actually work with .docx, and may be the reason you're having issues.
If that doesn't work, another Open Source software that may fit your needs is something called "OnlyOffice". If that doesn't work, you might try WPS or Microsoft, both are not FOSS.
Libreoffice 6.2.2
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Re: Word reformats bullets points when printing
[Tutorial] Mac FAQ Q26/A26rhub wrote:I've noticed when I print word documents with bullet points, they are reformatted into a square with a question mark.
If this solved your problem please go to your first post use the Edit button and add [Solved] to the start of the title. You can select the green checkmark icon at the same time.
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