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English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:27 pm

Hi,
when I work with two languages in one line, the cursor position is somehow misleading, it is about two letters on the left to the place where the editing actually happens. And the words are sometimes jammed (see attach, the red arrow shows the actual position of the cursor). Is there any way to eliminate this irritating bug?
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby John_Ha » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:40 pm

Welcome to the forum.

Can you upload a small example file with the problem - use the Upload attachment tab below where you write a post.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:44 pm

thank you, John! but haven't I uploaded one already?))
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby RoryOF » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:47 pm

No, you've only uploaded a screen-shot. A section of the actual file allows us to test the problem on our computers.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 2:48 pm

oh, I see now, you mean a doc file? i didnt know it was possible to do it here. will do it asap
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby acknak » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:22 pm

I'm not seeing the problem here, but testing your document would be helpful.

Here's what I tried:
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:32 pm

you.re right, there is _almost_ no problem in your file except the headings where the cursor begin to position itself not so precisely as it should, if you try to insert cyrillic.
here's my file, i understand now that the problem is not omnipresent; here you can see the trouble (hopefully) in the lines with the words "Deichmann, Biologen" and "Ulrich Schultz, edы., Medizin". I see also that the line is somewhat jammed, too
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:34 pm

here's what I see
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby John_Ha » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:43 pm

I cannot seem to find any problem in your uploaded file. If I place my cursor anywhere in the English or Russian text, and press space, the space appears at the cursor position. The cursor 'jumps' when moving across "edы., Medizin" (following Schultz) because the " ы " is one character, not two characters.

Or am I misunderstanding the problem?
 Edit: Screeenshot replaced with one where hidden characters are displayed 
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby RoryOF » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:46 pm

The shaded dots are "non-breaking spaces". Perhaps, if pasting these from the Internet, you should use Paste Special and select "Unformatted text". Hyphenation may be turned off. You can erase these "non-breaking spaces" and replace them with ordinary spaces - try this and see if it eases the problem.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 3:48 pm

ы is one character, you understand all right. I saw your screenshot and it gave me an idea. I toggled off the nonprinting characters, and it seems that the problem disappeared. well, at least it is hidden with those characters.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby John_Ha » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:05 pm

I still cannot understand why it is OK for me, but not for you. Toggling the hidden characters ON/OFF shouldn't affect things.

I also checked Format > Character > Position > Spacing was correct. I also swapped fonts and used Arial and Calibri and it was OK.. Testfonts tells me there are no missing fonts.

So I am at a loss to explain what is happening on your system. It appears as though the spacing is being done incorrectly, but I have no idea why. I unzipped the doc file and looked at the worddocument file and got as below.
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A thought. What happens if you save it as an odt file - does that fix it? It is much easier to examine and analyse an odt file than a doc file. This is the XML from when I save it as an odt which looks perfectly OK.

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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:12 pm

I saved it as .odt (see attach), but it didn't change anything. and it seems that the problem appears, as was noted previously in the words around the nonbreaking space when the nonprinting characters are toggled on. I start typing in russian and by the third caracter the cursor jumps one caracter to the left (don't know whether i am clear enough). If you need some additional information, please feel free to ask: I was living with this problem for a long time, but before it wasn't so marked (it could be solved by toggling the left spacing of the paragraf). in the last two versions of OO it was unsupportable.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby John_Ha » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:19 pm

Note that it ("edы., Medizin" following Schultz) happens where the Style T1 text ends, and the style T2 text starts. Both styles seem to me to be identical, except T1 is normal and T2 is italic. So, try switching off italic and make all the text normal. Is it now OK? If so, it is probably a spacing problem when using italic.

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            <text:span text:style-name="T1">ываDaniel Jыва. Kevles, &quot;Blowing Smoke,&quot; </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">New York Times Book Review</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1">, 12 May 1996, p. 13ываыва; цит. по: Richard Kluger, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Ashes to Ashes: America&apos;s Hundred-Year Cigarываette War, the Public Health, and the Unabashed Triumph of Philip Morris</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (New York: Knopf, 1996). Джоан Остокер (Joan Austoker, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">A History of the Imperial Cancer Research Fund, 1902-1986</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 187)), также не противоречит утверждению Чарльза Уэбстера о том, что «между 1850 и 1950-ми годами очень сложно выявить движение вперед в вопросе курения и здоровья» (Charles Webster, &quot;Tobacco Smoking Addiction: A Challenge to the National Health Service,&quot; </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Brit. J. Addiction</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1">, 1984, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">79:</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> 7-16, quotation on p. 9).</text:span>
         </text:p>
         <text:p text:style-name="P1">
            <text:span text:style-name="T1">Вдумчивый анализ приведен в Mario Biagioli, &quot;Science, Modernity, and the &apos;Final Solution,&apos;&quot; //  </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Probing the Limits of Representation: Nazism and the &quot;Final Solution,&quot;</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> ed. Saul Friedlander (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1992), pp. 185-205. См. тж. Ute Deichmann, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Biologen unter Hitler: Vertreibung, Karrieren, Forschung</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Frankfurt: Campus Verlag, 1992); and Monika Renneberg and Mark Walker, eds., </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Science, Technology and National Socialism</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1994). Литература <text:s/>о здравоохранении и медицине в нацистской Германии весьма <text:s/>объемна; см., например: Gerhard Baader and Ulrich Schultz, edы., </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Medizin und Nationalsozialismus: Tabuisierte Vergangenheit-Ungebrochene Tradition?</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> 2d ed. (West Berlin: Verlagsgesellschaft Gesundheit, 1983); Johanna Bleker and Norbert Jachertz, eds., </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Medizin im Dritten Reich</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Cologne: Deutscher Ärzte-Verlag, 1989); Gisela Bock, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Zwangssterilisation im Nationalsozialismus: Studien zur Rassenpolitik und Frauenpolitik</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Opladen: Westdeutscher Verlag, 1986); Fridolf Kudlien, ed., </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Ärzte im Nationalsozialismus</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Cologne: Kiepenheuer &amp; Witsch, 1985); Achim Thom and Genadij I. Caregorodcev, eds., </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Medizin unterm Hakenkreuz</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Berlin: Verlag Volk und Gesundheit, 1989); Paul Weindling, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Health, Race and German Politics between National Unification and Nazism, 1870-1945</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1989); and Robert N. Proctor, </text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T2">Racial Hygiene: Medicine under the Nazis</text:span>
            <text:span text:style-name="T1"> (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1988).</text:span>
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 4:26 pm

no, the italic didn't change much. i notice also that cursor is becoming misleading when trying to edit the end of the line (in non-printing symbols mode)
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby acknak » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:06 pm

This may be a problem specific to OO on the Mac.

Did you ever try a different version of OO where the text was displayed correctly?
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:16 pm

I am sure, this is specific to mac. well, i've been working on different macs and on OO for at least five years now (and all the time with nonprinting characters on), but I don't remember all the versions. All I know for sure is that from the beginning there was a similar problem, when the cursor was not exactly positioned when in Justified paragraph alignment mode (which disappeared when I toggled the align left mode). But the problem became more irritating and marked in last two versions.
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Re: English/Cyrillic fonts conflict

Postby sergpetrov » Wed Aug 27, 2014 5:28 pm

and this time regardless of the paragraph alignment. sorry, i must be too talkative.
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