FYI New LibreOffice Forum 8-)

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FYI New LibreOffice Forum 8-)

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Hi,

Just letting you know that The Document Foundation has finally decided to launch a discussion forum for LibreOffice. They are still setting it up but I recommend getting your preferred username before they start advertising the forum.

The temporary URL is here: https://vm222.documentfoundation.org/

See you over there! :fist:
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After Nabble and Ask, new forum attempt?

Avoid dispersion of effort for me. :?
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This pops up on first log-in after registration:
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The application "Discourse" wants to know:
- Your identity
- Your email address
- Your profile
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Is "Discourse" the same thing as https://www.discourse.org/?
What does it do?
Where else do my data go besides documentfoundation.org?
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The application &quot;Discourse&quot; wants to know: <br />- Your identity<br />- Your email address<br />- Your profile
The application "Discourse" wants to know:
- Your identity
- Your email address
- Your profile
Please, edit this topic's initial post and add "[Solved]" to the subject line if your problem has been solved.
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Bidouille wrote:After Nabble and Ask, new forum attempt?

Avoid dispersion of effort for me. :?
Fair. I found it on their mailing lists. I believe they plan on retiring the Ask platform because it is hard for many to use.


Villeroy wrote:This pops up on first log-in after registration:
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The application "Discourse" wants to know:
- Your identity
- Your email address
- Your profile
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Is "Discourse" the same thing as https://www.discourse.org/?
What does it do?
Where else do my data go besides documentfoundation.org?
Documentfoundation.org has some sort of SSO tool that they use for multiple software (Nextcloud, Redmine, Discourse, etc.)
Discourse is FOSS software (GPL-2) - the permission request is for you to share the DocumentFoundation information with the Discourse app. I don't believe there are any trackers or information sharing between the Discourse instance and the Discourse developers.
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Bidouille wrote:After Nabble and Ask, new forum attempt?
The Ask site is not a forum, but a questions-and-answers site. Unfortunately, lots of lusers fail to understand the concept.
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pheonix wrote:they plan on retiring the Ask platform
Waste of knowledges again and again.
esperantisto wrote:The Ask site is not a forum
Yep, and Nabble too.
esperantisto wrote:lots of lusers fail to understand the concept
I think that TDF don't understood too.
Read this old discussion about.
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Read this old discussion about.
Just some notes for the old discussion. David Nelson wrote:
Hi all,


Well here are a few :

http://libreofficeforum.org/

http://www.oooforum.org/

http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/

and those are just the ones in English.
Try it:
http://libreofficeforum.org/ : not exist today...
http://www.oooforum.org/ : not exist today...
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and this one is fading away slowly together with OpenOffice.
We could have had it all. In 2011 this forum was ready to go green but the foundation was not ready to host this database of knowledge and documents. I registered at the new forum just to learn that the most important feature is not implemented for "security reasons".
https://vm222.documentfoundation.org/t/ ... -upload/34
This forum is successful because of documents and nothing but documents. Lots of documents. More than 1000 from me alone.
 Edit: They fixed it. I uploaded 3 little documents. 
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esperantisto wrote:The Ask site is not a forum, but a questions-and-answers site. Unfortunately, lots of lusers fail to understand the concept.
As a user of and a contributor to the ask.libreoffice.org I didn't exactly fail to understand the Q&A idea. Like many contributors, I failed to spot it as a valuable concept concerning the requirements. I also failed to understand the advantages of the specific software used and of the chosen configuration - if there is sufficient choice at all.
(I have to admit that I never seriously searched for alternative software in the Q&A field, and that I know next to nothing about probably fundamental disadvantages of alternatives looking somehow better on the surface.)
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I think that TDF don't understood too.
Read this old discussion about.
Wow. I had no idea how contentious an issue this was. Ironically TDF is having trouble with revenue and the sites they were referencing no longer exist because of expenses. Some sort of comment on the dangers of purism vs principles..
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Lupp wrote:
esperantisto wrote:The Ask site is not a forum, but a questions-and-answers site. Unfortunately, lots of lusers fail to understand the concept.
As a user of and a contributor to the ask.libreoffice.org I didn't exactly fail to understand the Q&A idea. Like many contributors, I failed to spot it as a valuable concept concerning the requirements. I also failed to understand the advantages of the specific software used and of the chosen configuration - if there is sufficient choice at all.
(I have to admit that I never seriously searched for alternative software in the Q&A field, and that I know next to nothing about probably fundamental disadvantages of alternatives looking somehow better on the surface.)

The ask qna site has internet culture problems. I think this thread explains the issue clearly: https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question ... ibo-forum/

Q&A sites like stackexchange aren't interpreted as places for discussion, even if they could be used as such. Likewise, having email notifications for Nabble is annoying to many people who use email for services and personal correspondence. TDF trying to avoid the proper forum concept feels like hubris to me.
There are PHPBB to Discourse migration tools, maybe they can bring this forums content over there when AOO eventually retires.
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pheonix wrote:TDF is having trouble with revenue
No, TDF isn't having any trouble with revenue. Please don't spread incorrect information like that. TDF is doing fine: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Ledgers

There have been recent discussions about long-term sustainability of the wider ecosystem around LibreOffice, outside of TDF. But that's a separate matter.
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This site and its 8 community forums helps end-users since oct. 2007.

Knowledge base is huge here. So, useless to have again a new forum.
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The Q&A askbot approach is a good idea if properly implemented. To work well, it needs skilled maintenance.

When anyone can suggest new tags and nothing is in place to encourage self restriction and the use of preexistent tags, the tag structuring is largely broken.

It is possible to build a really nice FAQ from the input gathered by the service. This requires a bit of work.

Also, the core helpers seem less willing to recognize that some users have trouble relating to even the most basic guides, and need advice relating to their specific issue. There is some hostility towards the most insecure of askers. (Of course I am guessing ; what I perceive as insecurity may indeed be mere laziness. I give them the benefit of doubt.)

Still, the service runs nicely along. With small design and organizational changes I guess it could be excellent. Running it by anarchist principles can work when users are skilled, but in this case administration is called for.

I guess this should rather be posted to the ask site, but I guess many of the people there are also here, so not sure that I'll bother. It is not happening today... call me lazy :P
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