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[Issue] Base v4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:14 am

Hi,I installed the new version on Mac OS X 10.7.5 (see my signature).
Base does not open existing tables or create new ones (in design mode). The wizard works.
It happens with both existing database and new database.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby RoryOF » Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:21 am

Charlie, have you tried deleting or renaming the OO user profile? If that doesn't help would you please post a sample so that this can be tested across other platforms.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:01 am

Yes, I tried with user profile but nothing.
I attach 2 files that work with 4.1.1 version, with LibO and NeoOffice.

P.S: 1. The problem has been marked first by another user OSX in the Italian forum
2. Sometimes the existing tables are non visible
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Old.odb
(23.03 KiB) Downloaded 138 times
New.odb
(2.37 KiB) Downloaded 131 times
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby RoryOF » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:08 am

I've just made a very quick check. The Old.odb file opened each table correctly in OO 4.1.2 on Xubuntu 15.10. There was nothing defined in the New,odb file and I'm in haste, so I didn't fiddle with it. I have effectively no database experience (last was dBaseII, of glorious memory!) so I'll leave this thread for more experienced users to investigate.

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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not openTables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:19 am

Updating:
in OSX 10.11.1 ( El Capitan ) there are the same problems.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby RoryOF » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:41 am

I have posted a message to the developer mailing list to draw attention to the problem.

It would be good to have confirmation for each operating system.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby FJCC » Fri Oct 30, 2015 11:57 am

I tried both databases on Windows 7 and could create tables in Design View in both.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby FJCC » Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:19 pm

I also successfully created tables with Design View in both files using Redhat Linux.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:58 pm

OK with Ubuntu Linux (x64).
Please, edit this topic's initial post and add "[Solved]" to the subject line if your problem has been solved.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:42 pm

It is a bug of the OSX version, it is clear!
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:07 pm

Does it affect non-Java databases? Right-click the Bibliography in the data source window and choose "Edit DB".
Does it affect external JDBC connections or only embedded databases? Extract http://www.mediafire.com/download/yctf8 ... Trader.zip to a trusted directory (trusted for embedded Basic code) and open the contained odb.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby RoryOF » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:07 pm

I have posted a link to this thread to the developer mailing list. Thanks to FJCC and Villeroy for checking Windows and linux. Any BSD user who could check?
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Fri Oct 30, 2015 3:49 pm

Updated:
tables
- Create Table in Design View: not working
- Wizard: runs but the final window does not close (End key disabled), closes with button (X)
- The newly created table and the existing ones do not open (double-click or right-click> open). They do not even open in edit mode.
queries
- Create Query in Design View: Users can not add tables
- Wizard: runs but the final window does not close (End key disabled), closes with button (X)
- The query you just created and the existing ones do not open (double-click or right-click> open). They do not even open in edit mode.
forms
- Seem to run on both tables query

Closing Open Office
- If you create a new table or new query (with the wizard) OO does not close, a forced exit from o.s. OSX is required.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby lgusaas » Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:41 pm

AOO 4.1.2 does not open existing database table on my Mac. It does open Forms
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 do not open the Tables (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Sat Oct 31, 2015 7:11 pm

RoryOF wrote:I have posted a link to this thread to the developer mailing list. Thanks to FJCC and Villeroy for checking Windows and linux. Any BSD user who could check?

Thanks you RoryOF.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby lgusaas » Sun Nov 01, 2015 2:31 am

charlie.it wrote:Updated:
tables
- Create Table in Design View: not working
- Wizard: runs but the final window does not close (End key disabled), closes with button (X)
- The newly created table and the existing ones do not open (double-click or right-click> open). They do not even open in edit mode.
queries
- Create Query in Design View: Users can not add tables
- Wizard: runs but the final window does not close (End key disabled), closes with button (X)
- The query you just created and the existing ones do not open (double-click or right-click> open). They do not even open in edit mode.
forms
- Seem to run on both tables query

Closing Open Office
- If you create a new table or new query (with the wizard) OO does not close, a forced exit from o.s. OSX is required.

Have you filed a bug report? If not, please do so and post the # here.

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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Sun Nov 01, 2015 9:02 am

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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby pescetti » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:13 pm

I posted to the dev list too, but may I ask for additional tests just to be sure that this is not related to Java?

1. If you disable Java (Preferences - OpenOffice - Java), are you still unable to [edit: create a new database and] create tables in design mode? (much of the rest of Base won't work)
2. If you re-enable Java and try invoking some other function that requires Java, does it work? For example: launch Writer, press F1 for help, open the Search tab (name may be different) and search "Test". Is the search successful?

We didn't change much in Base between 4.1.1 and 4.1.2. The most significant bugfix for Base is https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121492 ; developers might want to try reverting that patch and seeing if the problem is solved (this last bit is probably for the dev list rather than the forum).
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:23 pm

Without Java you can not connect to JDBC databases including the embedded HSQL. You can connect to a non-JDBC database such as dBase.
Without Java you can still create a new database which will be a dBase database.
This is why I asked if the flaw affects non-Java databases such as "Bibliography" (dBase).
Without Java you can create queries and forms but no report. Running old style reports is possible. Old style reports are plain Writer tables that do not depend on the (Java) report builder extension.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby pescetti » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:29 pm

Yes, I meant after creating a new database (I edited the post accordingly), thanks Villeroy. Anyway, with whatever method we want to reach the same information, i.e., whether the problem only appears when Java is involved. This will be useful for investigation.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby lgusaas » Fri Nov 06, 2015 11:34 pm

pescetti wrote:I posted to the dev list too, but may I ask for additional tests just to be sure that this is not related to Java?

1. If you disable Java (Preferences - OpenOffice - Java), are you still unable to create tables in design mode? (much of the rest of Base won't work)

Created new database. Unable to create table in design mode (no response).
Can create Form in design mode.

2. If you re-enable Java and try invoking some other function that requires Java, does it work? For example: launch Writer, press F1 for help, open the Search tab (name may be different) and search "Test". Is the search successful?

Search not successful. No response
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:08 am

pescetti wrote:1. If you disable Java (Preferences - OpenOffice - Java), are you still unable to [edit: create a new database and] create tables in design mode? (much of the rest of Base won't work)

Hi Andrea,
I tried with 4.1.1, I can create a new table or editing an existing with Java disabled. This would exclude Java as responsible for the problem.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby pescetti » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:18 am

This is quite confusing... Remember, just to be sure, to restart OpenOffice after enabling/disabling Java.

What about the tests from Villeroy at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/v ... 02#p368449 ?
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:03 am

pescetti wrote:This is quite confusing... Remember, just to be sure, to restart OpenOffice after enabling/disabling Java.

What about the tests from Villeroy at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/v ... 02#p368449 ?

It is confusing because we do not know which type of database we are talking about. When Java is disabled, we are not talking about HSQL which is entirely written in Java. Most likely, we are talking about the dBase driver shipped with the Office suite. The type of database is indicated in the status bar of the respective database.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:16 am

Edit: written before the last message of Villeroy
I'm sorry for the confusion.
Update (after restarting enabling / disabling java)
Java disabled
4.1.1 creates new table but you can not create a primary key (no normal table)
4.1.1 does not open existing table (SDBC driver error)
4.1.2. does not create new table
4.1.2 does not open existing table (SDBC driver error)
java enabled
4.1.1 creates new table
4.1.1 opens existing table
4.1.2. does not create new table
4.1.2 does not open existing table

Villeroy's test
1. I do not understand "Right-click the Bibliography in the data source window"
2. 4.1.1 open existing tables - 4.1.2 do not open
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby charlie.it » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:24 am

Villeroy wrote:Most likely, we are talking about the dBase driver

I confirm.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:22 am

So you did the comparison with the same dBase database in AOO 4.1.1 and AOO 4.1.2 on your Mac?
Villeroy's test
1. I do not understand "Right-click the Bibliography in the data source window"
2. 4.1.1 open existing tables - 4.1.2 do not open

1) Open any Writer or Calc document.
2) Hit F4 or menu:View>Data Sources
3) Right-click the "Bibliography" and choose "Edit Database" from the context menu.
This is just a convenient way to open the dBase example that comes with OpenOffice suite and which is stored in your user profile. You could also browse your user profile and open the document database/biblio.odb
You could also create a new dBase database with Java enabled or not:
menu:File>New>Database...
[X] Connect to existing db
Type: dBase and point to some directory which may be blank or having some *.dbf files already.
Creating a brand new database with Java being disabled creates the same type of external dBase database instead of embedding a HSQL database into the Base document.

With AOO 4.1.2 on Linux I can open the existing "biblio" table and edit data, add tables to this database, add fields and indices to the table. I can remove fields, indices and tables. Using the table designer I can do all this with Java enabled or disabled. I can use the table wizard with Java enabled.
Same with queries and forms. Without any Java I can do everything using the designer tools but wizards don't work (which is not a big loss IMHO).
I can run existing reports without Java but the only way to create one is a Java wizard.
The report builder extension and its reports depend entirely on Java.

In short: We can test if the problems with AOO 4.1.2 on the Mac affect Java databases only, embedded databases only or other types of databases too. 95% of all OpenOffice databases are connections to spreadsheets in order to merge serial letters. I think none of these users will ever take notice of the defect.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby lgusaas » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:56 am

Villeroy wrote:You could also create a new dBase database with Java enabled or not:
menu:File>New>Database...
[X] Connect to existing db
Type: dBase and point to some directory which may be blank or having some *.dbf files already.
Creating a brand new database with Java being disabled creates the same type of external dBase database instead of embedding a HSQL database into the Base document.

I created two new databases. One when Java was enabled, one with Java disabled.
Unable to create table in design mode with either version. Creating table with Wizard works in Java enabled version.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby Villeroy » Sat Nov 07, 2015 12:29 pm

Too bad. It's not limited to the embedded database. And it might not be a Java issue. On this forum I use to recommend dBase for serial letters because it is simple, editable in Calc and in the data source window and because changes take place instantly. Edits in spreadsheet lists do not update in the serial letter until you restart the entire office suite.

Oh, one more quick test on the Mac please (2 minutes):
Open a new Writer doc, hit F4, select Bibliography>Tables>biblio in the left pane and if the table appears on the right pane drag some column lables of populated columns into the Writer document. The column labels will produce mail merge fields.
Then print, confirm that you are going to print a serial letter and choose a single document for output. Then open the output document. Does this serial letter have the expected content (one page per table row)?

We may have to struggle with this issue another year.
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Re: Base v. 4.1.2 does not open Tables & Queries (Mac OSX)

Postby lgusaas » Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:18 pm

Villeroy wrote:Oh, one more quick test on the Mac please (2 minutes):
Open a new Writer doc, hit F4, select Bibliography>Tables>biblio in the left pane and if the table appears on the right pane drag some column lables of populated columns into the Writer document. The column labels will produce mail merge fields.

Did that
Then print, confirm that you are going to print a serial letter

Clicked Yes to question "Do you want to print a form letter." Nothing changed.
and choose a single document for output.

Got no option to choose document (have never done this before, so don't know exactly what is supposed to happen.

Then open the output document. Does this serial letter have the expected content (one page per table row)?

Didn't get to this stage.

Tried with Java enabled and not enabled.

PS: When I close the test document AOO crashes.

I have little experience with databases. I have one small one set up.
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