Apache OpenOffice Community Forum

Bottom right on each page for each forum we have this logo



I think it should be replaced by this one



(rescaled, of course )

On a side note, the page description for the EN forum (the text that shows on the browser's window bar) still read "OpenOffice.org Community Forum".

Since the feather is already at left, I would remove it from the logo here.

We could add the download icon:

Hagar Delest wrote:Since the feather is already at left, I would remove it from the logo here.We could add the download icon

I like it! No text, no need for translation...
+1

I like Hagar's no-translation-needed icon idea. But ...

How important is it for us to include a download link? Do people come here to get OOo? I don't see how that would be very likely.

I honestly never even noticed that that was a download link, even after RGB brought it up the other day--I couldn't find what he was referring to! I never noticed the text, and I assumed that the birds-logo was just a link back to the project page. So, at least, a download link could be more self-explanatory than the current one.

When forum users complain about a bogus download site, we usually give them a link to the main site, and I don't remember anyone suggesting that they use the download link on the forum page.

Do we have a link to the main project page? Would that be a better choice here?

acknak wrote:I like Hagar's no-translation-needed icon idea. But ...

How important is it for us to include a download link? Do people come here to get OOo? I don't see how that would be very likely.

In view of the number of bogus downloads we see, the more "good" download links the better, even if they only refer to the download on the main page (that should make them "maintenance free", which is a Good Thing [refer: Sellar and Yateman, "1066 and All That"]

Just to be clear: I have no problem at all with us having a download link.

If it is there, it should be more evident, both to its presence and its purpose, and less maintenance is always better. Re-using the download graphic would seem to do all that. There are already translations of "Get OOo" in place, so there's no need for text in the graphic.

Edit: PS:

Hmm, I guess that text has to change, no matter what we do, since "OpenOffice.org" is no longer correct.

Do we have to say "Apache Open Office" or can we just make it "Get OpenOffice"?

Edit: PPS:

While we're making the change, why don't we eliminate the text altogether and just use the icon? The feather on the left is already text-less, and the "get AOO" icon is pretty self-explanatory. Clicking "blind" shouldn't be a problem, either--it's not starting a download or anything bad.

acknak wrote:When forum users complain about a bogus download site, we usually give them a link to the main site, and I don't remember anyone suggesting that they use the download link on the forum page.

Personally, I always tell them to use the button bottom of the page!
I also use it myself sometimes.

The mere icon is not enough IMHO, would be quite small and could get unnoticed. At least having "Apache OpenOffice" would be clearer. And no translation needed then.
Why not replace the birds of the banner logo proposal and remove the "community forum" text?

Something like that:

+1 for Hagar proposal.

I quite like Hagar's proposal, but will everybody understand the meaning of the green arrow? On the LibreOffice website a green up arrow is used as a navigation tool, so the down arrow might be misread for something else.

Hagar Delest wrote:... Personally, I always tell them to use the button bottom of the page!
I also use it myself sometimes. ...

Ok, ok. I stand corrected. I'll just be quiet now ...

I tend to the view that the Apache feather should be in the logo. I would place it behind the text.

I would also lose the green arrow and put a link to the download page below the logo, not in it.

floris v wrote:will everybody understand the meaning of the green arrow?

We should keep the small text above the logo (for the moment "Get OpenOffice.org").
It requires less work than customizing different NL logos.

kingfisher wrote:I would also lose the green arrow and put a link to the download page below the logo, not in it.

The green arrow downward is often used in the sites where you can download freewares and sharewares IIRC. Users are used to click those big buttons, it would be strange to have to click a small hyperlink and have a big button that is not interactive.

So the agreed decision is... ??

(notice: this question is valid for the other thread too...)

My proposal:
- Keep the "Get Apache OpenOffice" small text
- Change the logo to the one I've proposed
-> Right now

Continue the discussion if there are comments. But we need to change the OOo branding ASAP.

See this page: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeo ... marks.html and http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeo ... -here.html

Doesn't seem to allow much freedom.

There are 2 threads on the dev mailing list but rather difficult to follow. I've asked about this proposal, let's see what happens: http://markmail.org/message/nse7f7lxdai ... or.ooo-dev
I fear it will take a long time until we get a clear situation.

Seems that my proposal is fine (see replies to my ML post). Is it ok to replace the OOo logo and modify the text?
I'm clearly against the feather in the logo. It's not a requirement and many other ASF products don't have that feather.

Down arrow seems rather standard for the download action (also used in the download buttons of LibO BTW).

If no big objection within few days, I'll PM this topic to imacat for implementation.

Hagar Delest wrote:Seems that my proposal is fine (see replies to my ML post). Is it ok to replace the OOo logo and modify the text?
I'm clearly against the feather in the logo. It's not a requirement and many other ASF products don't have that feather.

Down arrow seems rather standard for the download action (also used in the download buttons of LibO BTW).

If no big objection within few days, I'll PM this topic to imacat for implementation.

+1 !!!

Sorry to keep you waiting for so long. This is updated. ^^;
Please tell me of there is still any question.

Many thanks!

I just noticed that some forums have the OpenOffice.org name, perhaps it should be changed to Apache OpenOffice or just OpenOffice (as here on the EN forum).

Hagar Delest wrote:Many thanks!

+1!!

Hagar Delest wrote:I just noticed that some forums have the OpenOffice.org name, perhaps it should be changed to Apache OpenOffice or just OpenOffice (as here on the EN forum).

The ES forum is one of those: instead of "Obtenga OpnOffice.org" it should say "Obtenga Apache OpenOffice".

Also, I noticed that the buttons on all forums point to http://download.openoffice.org/index.html instead of http://www.openoffice.org/download/ and, at least on my system, the fist address is not working at all.

BTW, if it is not too trouble, the ES site have a dedicated download page on Spanish: http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/

Regards

Good one! The download link doesn't work for the Dutch forum either. And "Haal OpenOffice.org op" could read just as well just "Download" - because I feel that mentioning Apache OpenOffice twice is rather redundant.

Hmm...

• The misalign between "Get OpenOffice" and "Get OpenOffice.org" among languages is purely my mistake. The Chinese forum does not use a seperate term, so I thought that every forum is using the English text message. This is fixed. All "OpenOffice.org" are to "OpenOffice" (besides in the meta keywords for historical reason, where "OpenOffice" is added instead of replacing "OpenOffice.org").
  

  • RGB wrote:The ES forum is one of those: instead of "Obtenga OpnOffice.org" it should say "Obtenga Apache OpenOffice".

  • The download text on the Spanish (Español, ES) forum is updated as "Obtenga Apache OpenOffice" per request. Is this OK? Or should I align with others as "Obtenga OpenOffice"?
    

    floris v wrote:Good one! The download link doesn't work for the Dutch forum either. And "Haal OpenOffice.org op" could read just as well just "Download" - because I feel that mentioning Apache OpenOffice twice is rather redundant.

  • The download text on the Dutch (Nederlands, NL) forum is updated as "Download" instead of "Haal OpenOffice.org op". I'm not sure if this is OK.
• All download links are updated, at least from http://download.openoffice.org/ to http://www.openoffice.org/download/. A few exceptions to be mentioned:
  
  • The download link on the French (Français, FR) forum is updated to http://www.openoffice.org/fr/Telecharger/.
  • The download link on the Hungarian (Magyar, HU) forum is updated from http://hu.openoffice.org/about-downloads.html to http://www.openoffice.org/download/, as the former URL is not updated after Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
  • The download link on the Polish (Polski, PL) forum is updated from http://pl.openoffice.org/product.download.html to http://www.openoffice.org/download/, as the former URL is not updated after Apache OpenOffice 3.4.
  • The download link on the Japanese (日本語, JA) forum is updated from http://ja.openoffice.org/download/ to http://www.openoffice.org/ja/download/, to avoid excess redirection (please tell me if the former is preferred with Japanese community).
  • The download link on the Spanish (Español, ES) forum is updated from to http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/, per request.
  • The download link on the Italian (Italiano, IT) forum is updated from http://it.openoffice.org/download/ to http://www.openoffice.org/it/download/, to avoid excess redirection (please tell me if the former is preferred with Italian community).

Please tell me if there is still any question on this.

(I'm investigating how to subscribe to the notifications of the forum. ^^; )

imacat wrote:The download text on the Dutch (Nederlands, NL) forum is updated as "Download" instead of "Haal OpenOffice.org op". I'm not sure if this is OK.

Excellent.
Please note that .org in OpenOffice.org was added to the name to avoid confusion with a Dutch product of that name (but with a space). There's no confusion possible in the full name Apache OpenOffice, but abbreviating that to just OpenOffice would get you back to the original situation.

imacat wrote:Hmm...

• The misalign between "Get OpenOffice" and "Get OpenOffice.org" among languages is purely my mistake. The Chinese forum does not use a seperate term, so I thought that every forum is using the English text message. This is fixed. All "OpenOffice.org" are to "OpenOffice" (besides in the meta keywords for historical reason, where "OpenOffice" is added instead of replacing "OpenOffice.org").
  

  • RGB wrote:The ES forum is one of those: instead of "Obtenga OpnOffice.org" it should say "Obtenga Apache OpenOffice".

  • The download text on the Spanish (Español, ES) forum is updated as "Obtenga Apache OpenOffice" per request. Is this OK? Or should I align with others as "Obtenga OpenOffice"?

No preference on this: "Obtenga OpenOffice" is also perfect

imacat wrote:

• The download link on the Spanish (Español, ES) forum is updated from to http://www.openoffice.org/es/descargar/, per request.

Thanks!!!

Thanks, imacat.

imacat wrote:The download link on the Polish (Polski, PL) forum is updated from http://pl.openoffice.org/product.download.html to http://www.openoffice.org/download/, as the former URL is not updated after Apache OpenOffice 3.4.

No volunteer from Poland is currently involved in the AOOo project. Hence (1) it has no Polish l10n, and its usability for Polish-speaking users is rather limited; (2) pl.openoffice.org is not maintained by anyone.
Most people in Poland use the LibreOffice suite, and there are some volunteers. I have even recently added Get LibreOffice entry to our first contact forum. However, it might be not reasonable to point LO in official site link at bottom of the page.
We still consider that keeping PL forum at Apache site makes sense, according to extended formula present in the current banner of the forum.

RGB wrote:No preference on this: "Obtenga OpenOffice" is also perfect

I see. Then I shall stick with "Obtenga OpenOffice".

Jan_J wrote:Thanks, imacat.

imacat wrote:The download link on the Polish (Polski, PL) forum is updated from http://pl.openoffice.org/product.download.html to http://www.openoffice.org/download/, as the former URL is not updated after Apache OpenOffice 3.4.

No volunteer from Poland is currently involved in the AOOo project. Hence (1) it has no Polish l10n, and its usability for Polish-speaking users is rather limited; (2) pl.openoffice.org is not maintained by anyone.
Most people in Poland use the LibreOffice suite, and there are some volunteers. I have even recently added Get LibreOffice entry to our first contact forum. However, it might be not reasonable to point LO in official site link at bottom of the page.
We still consider that keeping PL forum at Apache site makes sense, according to extended formula present in the current banner of the forum.

I see. We still hope that there will be more people using OpenOffice that can hold the community. Many thanks, though. ^_*'