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[Solved+Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibO 3.4

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:04 am
by Tommy
I'm really disappointed that the LibreOffice devs removed the Classic GUI theme from LibO 3.4.

now only Tango, Crystal, Oxygen and Hi-Contrast are available and I like none of them.

I opened this bug report in LibreOffice bug tracker:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38175

if you liked the Classic theme, please give support to it

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 11:21 am
by Hagar Delest
Is there a way to vote? it doesn't show (but I haven't any account).

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:47 pm
by RGB
Hagar de l'Est wrote:Is there a way to vote?

No, there is no voting system on Bugzilla.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 3:53 pm
by acknak
It's free software: submit a patch. Or, better, re-package the old theme as an extension.

Personally, I applaud the LibO folks for removing some of the bloat in the OOo packaging. Does it make sense to include a half-dozen icon themes in every package when most users will only use the default? Make it optional--if you want it, download it and install it.

@hagar: Bugzilla supports voting, but I can't find any mention of it in the FDO site, even when I log in. Maybe they have disabled it?

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 4:17 pm
by aqualung
335 votes

If developers ignore the number of votes anyway, then what point is there in giving users the illusion that by voting they can make an impact?

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:47 pm
by Tommy
@acknak

I have no technical skills to do that.

the icon debloat thing LibO folks did was wise about removing duplicate icons... 100% agree with that.
but I totaly disagree removing a whole theme... OOo/LibO had 5 themes (Classic, Tango, Oxygen, Crystal, Hi Contrast)
and there's no real advantage removing one of them.... the only effect is pissing off people that loved that theme...

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:27 pm
by franx
acknak wrote:@hagar: Bugzilla supports voting, but I can't find any mention of it in the FDO site, even when I log in. Maybe they have disabled it?

Bug 37141 - BUGTRACKER: Please enable "Voting" in the LibreOffice Bugtracker
<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37141>

TDF Wiki - Vote for Enhancement
<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement>

TDF Wiki - Bug 37141 - BUGTRACKER: Please enable "Voting" in the LibreOffice Bugtracker
<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement#Bug_37141_-_BUGTRACKER:_Please_enable_.22Voting.22_in_the_LibreOffice_Bugtracker>

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:09 pm
by Tommy
since voting is not yet possible, I encourage users of this forum to drop a comment on the issue page ( https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38175 ) asking to bring back the Classic GUI theme in LibreOffice 3.4.1

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:36 pm
by Hagar Delest
acknak wrote:Personally, I applaud the LibO folks for removing some of the bloat in the OOo packaging. Does it make sense to include a half-dozen icon themes in every package when most users will only use the default?

The problem is that it was the default theme that has been removed. It may irritate many users. And personally, it is the theme I like the most.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:48 pm
by TheGurkha
It may have been a purposeful move. It means LibO can never look like the majority of OOo installations.

Perhaps they want the visual difference to give a sense of separation between the two suites?

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 10:50 pm
by acknak
Hagar de l'Est wrote:... it was the default theme that has been removed.

OIC. Yes, that's a bit harder to understand.

I didn't notice since the default theme for Linux (apparently) has not changed.

aqualung wrote:If developers ignore the number of votes anyway, then what point is there in giving users the illusion that by voting they can make an impact?

Are you sure that votes are ignored? Maybe they are simply one factor out of many that have to be considered, and even a million votes might not be sufficient to outweigh some other factor.

As a counter example, the multipage view in Writer was also turned down for a long time, but the votes made it clear that the feature was popular and useful, and eventually it was implemented.

Here's how I see it: voting is never guaranteed to have an effect, but not voting is guaranteed to have no effect.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:01 am
by RGB
acknak wrote:
Hagar de l'Est wrote:... it was the default theme that has been removed.

OIC. Yes, that's a bit harder to understand.

I didn't notice since the default theme for Linux (apparently) has not changed.

Under Linux, the default icon theme is selected according to the desktop used:
kde3 → Crystal
kde4 → Oxygen
gnome → Galaxy
other desktops → Classic

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 1:34 am
by therabi
aqualung wrote:335 votes

If developers ignore the number of votes anyway, then what point is there in giving users the illusion that by voting they can make an impact?


I agree fully. We have all seen how the "votes" on issues has worked in OOo. Something else to work on.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 8:21 am
by Tommy
@Hagar
please register to LibO issue-tracker and drop a line about this Classic theme bug.

it's irritating they removed that theme

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2011 10:32 pm
by Hagar Delest
Tommy wrote:@Hagar
please register to LibO issue-tracker and drop a line about this Classic theme bug.

Sorry but I don't want to engage in LibO for the moment. Just do it...

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:37 am
by vasa1
acknak wrote:...
Personally, I applaud the LibO folks for removing some of the bloat in the OOo packaging. ... Make it optional--if you want it, download it and install it.
...


When LibO was first released as a portable app at portableapps.com, there was some comment about the size of the package (http://portableapps.com/node/27628 and elsewhere in that forum). There was some discussion on which files could be termed unnecessary and be removed without breaking LibO. With a subsequent release, the portableapps.com team provided a conservative means to reduce the number of files (post-install). If one wants, even more files can be removed.

(There were also counter-arguments to the effect that size, RAM, etc are irrelevant since modern machines can handle most anything thrown at them.)

Back on topic, I won't support the request to reinstate the theme right away.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:57 am
by Villeroy
Tommy wrote:@Hagar
please register to LibO issue-tracker and drop a line about this Classic theme bug.

it's irritating they removed that theme

Did they ban you from their site for your impertinence?

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:19 am
by RoryOF
If it mattered to me, I'd just drop in a set of icons that suited my requirements - it would take about 20 minutes, I reckon. I prefer to spend time using the applications rather than redecorating them.

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:09 pm
by Tommy
@Hagar

Ok. no problems.


@Villeroy

and you pretend to be a moderator? :bravo:

Re: [Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibreOffice

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:18 am
by Tommy
issued is solved

there's a workaround!!! :super:

just copy the images_classic.zip from LibO 3.3.2 ( ....\Bin\LibreOffice 3\Basis\share\config )
and paste it into LibO 3.4

then go to Tools / Option / View / Size and Style of Icon (I'm translating in english the menu items from the italian version) and select the newly added Classic theme that will be again available. :super:

Re: [Solved+Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibO

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:43 pm
by acknak
Nice!

When I suggested the extension route, I was thinking it might as easy as copying the proper zip file, but I wasn't sure.

Thanks for posting the instructions.

Re: [Solved+Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibO

PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:51 pm
by Tommy
with the same method a user may create his own custom icon theme

Re: [Solved+Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibO

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:10 am
by RGB
Tommy wrote:with the same method a user may create his own custom icon theme

Theoretically, yes... but just try to open that zip file and look at the file names and folders: building an icon theme for OOo/LibO is a daunting prospective...

Re: [Solved+Issue] Bring back the Classic icon theme in LibO

PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:16 am
by Tommy
yes, I know... there are hundreds of icons... create a new time would be very time consuming...

however, I'm happy with the Classic theme, so I don't need anything else.